WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE
Y-DNA ROSE PROJECT??
The Rose Family Association started the Y-Rose DNA Project in 2002 after David Brown successfully used the new technique to solve his own Rose/Roosa background. BACKGROUND: David and others, with input from Association records, had a year earlier in 2001 been a true pioneer in the use of Y-DNA by using the new tool in settling their own Rose line from Samuel of New York and Vermont. It was so highly successful that in 2002 David was asked by Christine to head a project for the Rose Family Association with the arrangement that Christine of the Association would assist by contacting others to join the project and to provide information on various Rose families where DNA testing could be beneficial. This was done. The emails have been preserved, as has the original notice published in a 2002 issue of the Rose Family Bulletin announcing the Association's new project. The project David did for his own family in 2001 was not part of the Association project but it gave him the experience to undertake the Association's project which he did with enthusiasm)
This Project, with its dual administrators David and Christine, grew into a huge family DNA project - one of the largest of such projects.
David and Christine in June of 2011 decided that within a few weeks, thus fall or winter of 2011, the charts that had been published in two yearly issues of the Rose Family Bulletin would be posted online at the testing firm. David conveyed our desire to post to the head of the testing firm. However, David became seriously ill and died in November 2011. A few details were yet to be decided at the time, such as how to notify the members of the proposed plan to post online.
After David's death Christine wanted to proceed with getting the charts posted online during the holidays of 2011, but each time she contacted the new Project Administrator she was told by that administrator that she was behind on reports, behind on emails, etc. Christine was therefore reluctant to ask her to take on this posting task until she could get caught up.
This continued and in the spring of 2012 when the administrator was contacted again with a view to posting the charts online, and again she stated she was behind. The administrator took steps to separate the project from its founder, the Rose Family Association. It appears that one of the reasons she was successful is that she agreed to post online the very charts that the Association had been wanting to post online for weeks!
What the administrator has not explained: if indeed the Rose Family Association was not part of the Y-DNA project, why didn't the administrator post the charts online long ago? If the project was separate from the Association, the Administrator could have done so without the assent of the Association. The fact that she couldn't without assent of the Association negates the present claim that the project was always separate and independent.
This matter came to a head at the beginning of May when the administrator said she could take the project and go our separate ways. Christine responded with an email (which has been preserved) that assured the administrator that the Association wanted her to continue, but that it had to be with the understanding that the Association was the one maintaining the project. The email went unanswered, and subsequent emails on the subject ignored. The lack of any reply was a clear response that she would not accept continuing under the Association. Christine then sent a request to the testing firm to send out a bulk mail doing nothing more than the fact that we were looking for a new Project Administrator and those with experience were asked to contact the Association.
From there things spiraled, and the Association has been subject of various erroneous allegations by the firm and the administrators. Christine was subjected to an astonishing negative reply from the testing firm to the bulk mail request but was not directly contacted by the head of the firm to get any facts. Christine emailed and phoned him over several days before getting an answer.
To shorten the telling, Christine offered on several occasions to the testing firm and to the two administrators that she would gladly continue working with them to continue this valuable project, on two conditions:
1) The Y-DNA project would continue as it had been started in 2002, under the Rose Family Association.
2) Christine would remain an administrator on an equal basis with the other administrators and that decisions would be mutually made. Christine advocated that no administrator should be above another; and proposed that any crucial decisions where they might disagree would be decided by the head of the testing firm. This would mean that the administrators made the decisions on how the project would work, which seemed a fair way to manage it.
For further clarification: There is no dispute about what is to be posted online, and the Association is happy to have those finally online. What the Association advocates to end the dispute is that since the project was started and maintained by the Association, that it continue to be an Association project. It would be run by the administrators on an equal basis. Christine would continue to locate testees in the future and recommend the same testing firm and the other administrators would do the test analysis and upkeeping of the charts; there should be no reason for there to be disagreements under this arrangement as they would share the responsibilities and decisions equally. As always, it would be open to anyone with a Rose line, not just Association members.
These would not seem to be unreasonable requests. The requests were to go together. This however was totally dismissed by the administrators, and the head of the testing firm, who steadfastly claim that the project was started and maintained from its inception separately even though it can be proved differently.
The Association feels a deep breach of trust and truth which do not create a stable working relationship.
We understand that those who have already tested will probably want to remain with the testing firm since their swabs are there. Those testees know the firm and can communicate with them. Others who have not yet tested should read the websites of several firms before making a decision. We will compile a list of such firms and hope to have it posted soon.
If any of our members know the background of the project and feel as let down as we do to have the firm and administrators now deny that connection, feel free to email to that company with your thoughts. Mail your email to "bcg@[insert testing firm name.com]. It should then go to the head of the firm as that is his email address.
This is a day we never envisioned coming. David and Christine worked hard on the project, and never suspected that the new administrator would create this type of havoc in what had heretofore been a highly successful project.
[For your interest: David and Christine exchanged over 3,000 emails since 2002 regarding the project. That is not including hundreds upon hundreds of emails Christine sent out to Rose descendants explaining the project and asking that they participate. All these emails have been saved and prove the assertions that the Association makes that the RFA started and maintained the project. Christine also has all the recent emails exchanged including the one assuring the administrator that we wanted her to continue for the Rose Family Association project. We had not planned this present posting but after the administrators sent out their bulk email May 7th (with the firm's approval) with we felt the need to correct some of the statements made.
EXPLANATION OF ROSE TESTING
The former Project Administrator David W. Brown, with others, organized a study and successfully proved the ancestry of their Samuel Rose of Dutchess County, New York and Bennington County, Vermont. Subsequently they agreed to continue the project for under the Rose Association. David worked diligently for many years before his death developing the following Rose groups.
GENERAL ANALYSIS OF TESTS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED
For easy referencing, each family group with one or more matches has been assigned a Group letter.
ROBERT ROSE OF BRANFORD & WETHERFIELD, CONN.
JOHN WESLEY ROSE, ERIE & MONROE COS., NEW YORK
JOHN ROSE OF MICHIGAN AND IOWA
JOSIAH ROSE OF MONROE & ORANGE COS., NEW YORK
JOHN ROSE OF ELKHART CO., INDIANA
FREEMAN HENRY ROSE OF ILL., SD, WISC.
This group of Roses descend from the immigrant Robert Rose, b. ca 1594, m. Margery,lived Wethersfield and Branford, Connecticut. Those tested include the following.
1. Descendant of Robert 1, Daniel 2, 3, Jehiel 4, Timothy 5 Rose
2. John Wesley Rose, 1830,. of Erie and Monroe Cos., New York
3. John Rose (m. Phylinda Norton) of Mich. and Iowa, f/o John Rose of Madison, KS.
4. Josiah Rose b. 1831, of Monroe, Orange, N.Y., and Ill.
5. Robert Rose of Branford, thrugh the later Justus Rose branch.
6. John Rose , 1789, liv. Elkhart, Ind.
7. Freeman Henry Rose (m. Jane Bailey), parents of Henry Freeman Rose b. 1835 (m. Mary Hocum), parents of John Frederick Rose b1882 (m. Gertrude Grace Olmstead). Fa mily lived in Cook Co., Illinois, Pennington Co., South Dakota, Wisconsin, and other localities.
FURTHER NOTE ON THE BRANFORD, CONNECTICUT ROSES BELOW.
WILLIAM 1 ROSE OF SURRY CO., VIRGINIA
ELIJAH ROSE OF DINWIDDIE CO., VIRGINIA
JOHN ROSE OF SOUTHAMPTON CO., VIRGINIA AND SURRY CO., NORTH CAROLINA
ROBERT ROSE OF EDGECOMBE CO., NORTH CAROLINA
THEOPHILUS ROSE OF WAYNE CO., NORTH CAROLINA
MICAJAH ROSE OF EDGECOMBE CO., NORTH CAROLINA
RICHARD ROSE OF STEWART CO., TENNESSEE
It now seems clear that this group in our DNA testing project belongs to William 1 Rose of Surry County, Virginia. The excellent paper trail of the line through William 1, Richard 2, and Richard 3, is very strong. It is that strong paper trail of the above which establishes that this group is the William 1 Rose of Surry County, Virginia family. The result is that anyone who can solidly prove a connection by paper to either of the above would belong to this Group A-1. That connection can be through strong documentation to either of the above, or through DNA testing that would match.
This group also has some type of tie to the Branford and Wethersfield, Connecticut Roses, through DNA testing. However, the connection is evidently before their removal to the colonies. The actual connection is not known.
Those associated with Group A-1:
a. Elijah Rose of Dinwiddie Co., Virginia
b. Frederick Rose of Wayne and Hardin Cos., Tenn. (son of Richard Rose of Sussex Co., Va.)
c. John Rose of Va., and Surry/Wilkes Cos., N.C. (father of Benjamin, John, Sterling and Hosea Rose); this includes descendants of Hosea's son McKenzie Rose, John Rose, and Elisha Rose.
d. Robert Rose of Edgecombe Co., N.C. (father of Reuben and Matthew of Robertson Co., Tenn., and others). Includes tests from descendants of Reuben Rose of Robertson Co., Tenn., known son of Robert Rose.
e. Theophilus Rose of 1762-1765, liv. Wayne Co., N.C., m. Christiana --
f. Micajah Wm R (m. Eliz Ogdon) 1830 Edgecombe NC/KY/IL (possibly from Wm M Rose 1755VA; Micajah 1798NC) is a perfect 25-25 match with most of Group A1.
g. A descendant of Allen born ca 1810, lived Greene Co., Mo., father of Isaac Allen 1847 etc., is a perfect 25 marker match with Group A-1. [Some believe he is a descendant of Burrell Rose of Nash Co., N.C. though this has not been documented.]
h. A descendant of Robert Lee Rose (son of Hezekiah 7, Frederick 6, 5, William 4, Richard 3, 2, William 1 of Surry County, Virginia is a perfect match on 12 markers to Group A1.
i. A descendant of McKenzie Rose of Roane Co., Tenn. through his son Elisha Napoleon Rose (who m. Lucinda Wilson) matches Group A-1. McKenzie was a son of Hosea Rose, and grandson of John Rose of Va. and Surry Co., N.C.
j. Wm Amos (Morning Evans) 1780, Nash Co., N.C., father of Wm Amos (Darcas Wilson) 1827 S.C. and Tenn. Perhaps connected to Burrell Rose
k. A descendant of Dr. Peter Rose (who married Polly Sammis) matches with Group A, the Robert Rose family of Wethersfield and Branford, Connecticut. It had been suspected that this was Dr. Peter Rose's family, but the test gave the first confirmation. Peter Rose was born sometime before 1777. He is probably the son of Samuel 5 Rose (Daniel 4, Daniel 3, Daniel 2, Robert 1) of the Connecticut family of Rose. [See the homepage of this website for a listing of the family report on this family.]
l. A descendant of Robert Rose 1775 of Nash Co., North Carolina, father of Allen born ca 1810; father of Isaac Allen 1847 etc., is a perfect 25 marker match with Group A-1. Robert possibly is related to Burrell Rose of Nash Co., North Carolina, though there is no documentary proof.
m. A descendant of Robert Lee Rose (son of Hezekiah 7, Frederick 6, 5, William 4, Richard 3, 2, William 1 of Surry County, Virginia is a perfect match on 12 markers to Group A1.
n. A test from a descendant of Wilson Rose, born 12 May 1838 Ky., d. 21 May 1918, Madison Co., Ark., m. Emaline Reed, at 37 markers, is a match with Group A1's John Rose of Surry Co., N.C. The parents of Wilson Rose were William "Buck" Rose and Nancy Osbourne of Lawrence Co., Ky.
o. A test from a descendant of Richard Rose (wife Sarah Harrell) of Robertson Co., Tenn.
One 37 marker test and two 12 marker tests from Friedrich Roose (1712-1785) and his wife Christina, who came on the Osgood (Rotterdam to Philadelphia) 9/29/1750, match closely with Group A1, the Virginia group descended from William 1 Rose of Surry County, Virginia. These Roose descendants trace this family back to Melchoir Ruoss 1 (c1600-1665) of Wittershausen, Baden-Wurtemberg, Germany, through Mattheaus 2, Johannes 3, Friedrick Roose 4. All are actually descendants of his grandson John by three different sons. This GroupA-2 is also closely matched with Group A, the New England Rose family of Robert Rose, though their match is even closer to the Virginia group.
This is more than surprising, and also appears to indicate the Robert of New England and the Virginia group (probably from William of Surry) could have been from the continent much more recently than the Anglo-Saxon invasion. (Or, that the Roose family on the continent immigrated there from England.) The Group A2 test at 37 markers matches one of the tests from Group A1 on 22/25 markers, and 32/37.
JOHN ROSE OF VIRGINIA AND
FAIRFIELD AND PICKAWAY COS., OHIO
WILLIAM TEMPLETON ROSE, OHIO, TANEY CO., MISSOURI
Three tests, two from the son Anthony Rose of Pickaway Co., Ohio and one from a brother of Anthony Rose match. John Rose (the father) m. Dorothy and was an early settler in Fairfield County, Ohio, coming from the Shenandoah valley in Virginia. The family is believed to tbe German. See also Group BX below.
In August 2006 an exciting new match - this one through William Templeton Rose, born ca 1823, liv. Ohio, Taney Co., Mo., married 1st Hester Ann Odell, m. 2nd Irena Tabor, m. 3rd Deborah Clark.
In another test in August, 2006, a descendant of Jesse Rose (wife Mary), he b. c1835, father of Jesse A. Rose b. 1875, is a close match to this group. Evidence indicates this Jesse is related to William Templeton Rose above.
A descendant of John Rose of Pickaway and Fairfield Counties, Ohio, through Jacob Rose (Jr.) born 1816, married Mary A. (---) Beach, and through the latter's son Theodore J. Rose, matches with this group.
Group B: Another descendant of William Templeton Rose is a close match in Group B, verifying his line from John Rose 1765 (m Dorothy) and John Jr. (m. Rebecca) 1800. The DNA of this group very strongly indicates they are descended of Jan Brouwer (Brewer), who emigranted from Amsterdam to Flatlands, N.Y. in 1657.
ABRAHAM ROSE OF KEOKUK, IOWA
We now have two tests from descendants of Abraham Rose who m. Sarah Mooney, he b. ca 1805, lived Keokuk, Iowa. It had been thought that Abraham was a son of John and Dorothy Rose of Shenandoah Valley, Virginia and Fairfield Co., Ohio (Group B). However, though the two tests of descendants of Abraham match each other, they do not match descendants of John and Dorothy. This suggests that if there is a connection to John Rose of Group B, as had been thought, it may be that Abraham was adopted. (One of these tests has been upgraded to 37 markers, and further confirms the high liklihood that Abraham Rose was a Good/Goode. He may have been adopted or lived with the family of Abraham Rose.)
WILLIAM ROSE (WIFE MARTHA) OF YORK CO. AND SURRY CO., VIRGINIA AND JOHNSTON/WAYNE COS., NORTH CAROLINA,
THOMAS ROSE OF SUMTER CO., SOUTH CAROLINA,
FRANCIS M. ROSE OF GILES CO., TENNESSEE AND NORTH CAROLINA
SAMUEL ROSE OF MADISON CO., KENTUCKY
JAMES ROSE OF CLAIBORNE CO., TENNESSEE AND GRUNDY CO., MISSOURI
This family group is becoming a significant group as more and more tests from heretofore unknown Roses are matching!
DNA from a descendant of William Rose (b. early 1700s, d. ca 1785) of York and Surry Counties, Virginia, father of John, Benjamin and James Rose who went into Johnston and Wayne Counties, North Carolina, matches DNA with a descendant of James Rose (b. 1804-05, w. Mary) of Lee County, Virginia, Claiborne County, Tennessee and Grundy County, Missouri. Two tests - one through William's son John and another through William's son Benjamin match. If a descendant of James Rose wishes to take a test, it would round out the testing through the three sons.
A descendant of Thomas Rose b. ca 1776, who lived in Sumter Co., South Carolina is a match with a descendant of William Rose of York and Surry Cos., Virginia (wife Martha). There had been no indication previously of any connection to South Carolina Roses.
Also connected in some manner to this group is James Rose (b. 1803-04) of Claiborne Co., Tennessee,Grundy Co., Missouri, and Lamar Co., Texas.
Another very big surprise. A descendant of Samuel Rose b. 1780-90 (wife Sally Freeman?) of Madison and Jackson Counties, Kentucky matches with this group.
And, a major surprise, Francis M. Rose (2nd wife Betty Cutbirth) of Giles Co., Tennessee, is also a match to this group of Roses. Francis was previously of North Carolina, probably of Burke County, and was also in Knox Co., Kentucky for a short time before removing to Tennessee.
Another test by a descendant of Francis M. Rose of Giles Co., Tennessee brings William Rose of York & Surry Cos., Va. even closer to Francis M. Rose of Tennessee.
A descendant of Benjamin and Melinda (Turnbow) Rose of Giles Co., Tenn. match Group C, as expected. Benjamin was a son of Francis M. Rose of that county.
A descendant of Cornelius Rose, a son of Francis M. Rose by the latter's first marriage, matches this group.
WILLIAM ROSE OF ONTARIO, CANADA
ANDREAS ROSE OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY
ANDREW ROSE OF BUCKS AND MERCER COS., PENNSYLVANIA
JOANNA ROSE OF STONINGTON, CONNECTICUT
Descendant of Robert Rose of Harrison Co., Ohio (m. Sarah and/or Sophia), previously of Lancaster Co., Pa.
A descendant of William Rose 1806 Ontario, Canada, wife Mary Ann, father of Patrick Rose b. c1842, matches with this group.
A descendant of Andreas Roos of New York and New Jersey through his son John/Johannis Rose of New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
A descendant of Andrew Rose of Bucks and Mercer Cos., Pa. (m Hannah Chapman) matches with this group. This was a huge surprise.
A descendant of Joanna Rose (husband may be a Thomas Rose) of Stonington Connecticut in mid-1600s. Connection would be very distant, probably Middle Ages. Experts in the field made this determination.
A descendant of Harvey Rose of Sandy Co., Pa. (wife Emily) matches with this Group D. Harvey was a known descendant of Andrew Rose of Mercer and Bucks Cos., Pa.
WILLIAM ROSE WHO M. SARAH ELMENDORF OF ULSTER CO., NEW YORK
AND JONATHAN ROSE OF NEW YORK AND LUZERNE CO., PENNSYLVANIA
BENJAMIN ROSE OF GUERNSEY CO., OHIO
JOHN WILLIAM ROSE
A descendant of William Rose who married Sarah Elmendorf, is NOT a Roosa. There had been speculation as to whether this William Rose was a Roosa because of location, but DNA confirms that he was not. The descendant who tested DOES match with a descendant of Jonathan A. Rose whose family went into Pennsylvania (Luzerne County area). There had been speculation that William Rose who married Sarah Elmendorf was the same William who was son of William Rose and Annatje Wolven of Ulster County, New York. However, there were doubts on that connection. Whether or not they are father and son could be solved by a test from a testee who can trace their line back to William who m. Sarah in a different branch other than William who married Sarah Elmendorf. DNA could finally put this matter at rest.
A descendant of Vincent Franklin Rose (son of Benjamin Rose and Sarah Whaling) b. ca 1845, of Guernsey Co., Ohio, matches with Group E, the William Rose who m. Sarah Elmendorf family of New York. This was a complete surprise!
A descendant of John William Rose of Ulster Co., N.Y., m. Eva May [Barton, see 1930 Ulster Co. census], father of Charles Henry (m. Ruth Fosket) 1920) matches closely with Group E, William Rose & Sarah Elmendorph.
THOMAS ROSE SR. OF GRANVILLE CO., NORTH CAROLINA
THOMAS ROSE OF WILKES, ELBERT AND FRANKLIN COS., GEORGIA
COL. WILLIAM ROSE OF GILES CO., TENNESSEE, son of
JOHN ROSE OF BRUNSWICK CO., VIRGINIA
WILLIAM ROSE OF SMITH CO., TENNESSEE
ANDERSON ROSE OF MECKLENBURG CO., VIRGINIA; PERSON CO., N.C.
HENRY ROSE OF GA., KY., AND POPE CO., ILLINOIS
DRURY ROSE OF FRANKLIN CO., GEORGIA
THOMAS ROSE OF POPE CO., ILLINOIS
JOHN W. ROSE
Several who have tested match as members of the Thomas Rose Sr. family of Granville Co., North Carolina. It has become one of the significant early groups of Roses with some surprising matches. However, it should be noted that the ancestry of Thomas Rose Sr. is not known. He is not from William 1 Rose of Surry County, Virginia (see Group A-1).
1. Descendant of William Rose (m. Elizabeth Merritt) of Whitley Co., Kentucky. He was a revolutionary pensioner. William was son of William and Amy (Langston) Rose, and grandson of Thomas Rose Sr. of Granville Co., North Carolina.
2. Descendant of Drury Rose of Wilkes/Elbert/Franklin Co., Georgia, probable son of Thomas Rose. It is unclear if this Thomas Rose is Thomas Rose Jr. of Granville Co., North Carolina (m., perhaps 1st, to Lydia), or whether he is son of a Thomas Rose Jr., son of Thomas Rose who married Lydia. Drury therefore may be a grandson of Thomas Rose of Granville Co. who m. Lydia, or a great-grandson.
3. Col. William Rose of Giles Co., Tennessee and Brunswick Co., Virginia, born 1779, (married Elizabeth Winfield Meredith), lived Giles Co., Tennessee. (This match was a major surprise.) Since Col. William Rose was a son of John and Elizabeth (Davis) Rose of Brunswick County, Virginia, that identifies that family, too.
4. Descendant of Thomas Rose (m. Ann Bronner/Brawner in 1809 Franklin Co., Georgia), later of Pope Co., Illinois.
5. Descendant of William Rose of Smith Co., Tenn. (m. Parthena Chandler) tests with the above Granville Roses. Another surprise!
6. Descendant of Thomas Rose of Vanderburgh Co., Indiana, through his son Henry Rose, matched with other Granville County Roses. This Thomas had three marriages and almost thirty children.
7. Descendant of Anderson Rose of Mecklenburg Co., Virginia and Person Co., North Carolina matches with the Granville County group.
8. A test from a descendant of Henry Rose (b. 1750-60, m. Jemima) of Wilkes/Elbert Cos., Ga., Ky., and later of Pope Co., Illinois tests with Group F. In fact, according to our former Project Administrator David Brown (now deceased), he believed from the markers that Henry Rose was very closely related to Anderson Rose of Mecklenburg County, Virginia and Person County, North Carolina (see Group F). It could even be possible that they were father and son! A real surprise.
9. A descendant of Ezekiel Rose, a son of William and Parthena (Chandler) Rose of Smith Co., Tennessee matches this group.
10. A descendant of William Rose b. 1780-90 who married and who moved to Clarke County, Alabama, matches Group F.
11. A descendant of Stephen Moon, carrying the surname MOON, matches with Group F of the Rose Y-DNA project. The early Stephen Moon was born ca 1655, and may have married Mary Simpson about 1680 in Va. At this time there is no clue as to how the Moon descendant fits into that group F of the Rose project. Stephen Moon's first entry located is in the vestry records of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent County, Virginia. His son Stephen 2 lived there, but the latter's son Jacob Moon, born 8br the 3rd 1717 in New Kent Co., Va. is later in Albemarke Co., Va. and Bedford Co., Va.
REV. ROBERT ROSE OF ALBEMARLE CO., VIRGINIA AND NAIRNSHIRE, SCOTLAND (THE KILRAVOCK GROUP)
ALEXANDER ROSE OF SCOTLAND AND PERSON CO., NORTH CAROLINA,
JAMES ROSE (w. Margaret McBean) OF INVERNESS, SCOTLAND (FAMILY LATER IN DELAWARE CO., NEW YORK), and
JOHN ROSE (w. Margaret Smith) OF ANGUS, SCOTLAND
ALEXANDER ROSE OF ANGUS, SCOTLAND
A descendant of Alexander Rose of Scotland and Person County, North Carolina is a close match to a descendant of John Rose and Margaret Smith of Angus, Scotland, though the connection is probably back in Scotland. Additionally, these Roses are a close match to James Rose (w. Margaret McBean) of Inverness, Scotland, and with the well-known Rev. Robert Rose of Morayshire, Scotland and Colonial Virginia.
A descendant of Alexander Rose born ca1780, died before 1841, married 4 April 1807 at Oathlaw, Angus, to Elizabeth Whyte born ca 1780, died 19 February 1860 at Froickheim, Angus, Scotland, matches Group G of the DNA project. Their son was James Rose, christened 1 August 1808, Tannadice, died before 1863, married 4 June 1831, Invekeilor, to Mary Reid. This test proves that descendants in Western Australia are part of the Roses of Kilravock.
A most interesting connection to Group G, this Canadian Rose family have a connection to the Roses of Kilravock in Scotland. This line descends from Hugh Rose (the 9th Baron of Kilravock) b1485 who married Margaret Urquhart, parents of Hugh Rose (the 10th Baron) b1507 who m. Catherine Falconer, and William (the 11th Baron) b1545 who m. Lilas May. The line continues with David b1592, James b1642, William b1682, James b1708, and Donald b1752 who m. Ann Fraser.
A descendant of Alexander Rose (m. Mary Carey) c1860 Nova Scotia to Lynn, Mass. in 1880, father of Edward William Rose (m. Rose Doran), matches with Group G, the Roses of Kilravock, Scotland.
A descendant of Hugh Rose (m. Marjorie Clark), b 1738, of Inverness, Scotland and Delaware Co., NY through his son Alexander Rose (m. Hulda Wright) is a very good match to Group G, the Kilravock, Scotland Roses. The numbers tend to indicate this line would likely tie into the Barons between 1500 and 1700, according to David Brown, though David said he can't be more specific.
WILLIAM ROSE OF GALLIA AND LAWRENCE COS., OHIO
We have three tests with matches, descendants of William Rose of Lawrence Co., Ohio through his 2nd wife Winnifred Neal. These tests show a connection to each other, but thus far, do not show a connection to other Roses. We do not yet have a DNA test through one of William's sons by his first marriage to Mary Adkins.
JOSEPH ROSE OF MARCHFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS
JOB LOW OF MARSHFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS
WILLIAM ROSE OF DODGE COUNTY, WISCONSIN
EDWARD ROSE OF MARYLAND & MONTGOMERY COUNTY, VIRGINIA
NATHANIEL ROSE OF ESTILL CO., KENTUCKY
UPDATE JANUARY 2011: New test results from
descendants of Joseph Rose of early
us with valuable insight into this family’s ancestral origins. Our first
DNA tests raised a considerable suspicion that the male origins of this family
were Native American. Since there was no written or oral history of
Joseph having a Native American heritage, and all documentation surrounding him
suggested English, this topic was widely speculated, debated, and researched
over the years, while this family patiently waited for a more definitive test
to become available.
Finally, a major scientific breakthrough was announced
in late 2010 when a new test became available which makes it possible to
differentiate between the European and Native Q1a3 haplogroups. The Rose
Family DNA Project was invited to submit a sample for testing; and the results
reveal that this family’s paternal origin is of Western Eurasia, which includes
France, England, Ireland, and Scotland.
Joseph Rose of
Marshfield, MA was not Native American!
This is an interesting group, tying together Joseph Rose (b.
ca 1633) of Marshfield, Plymouth, Massachusetts (who married Elizabeth Bumpas)
to Edward Rose (b. ca 1735) of Maryland and later moved to Montgomery Co.,
Virginia, and Nathaniel Rose (b. 1775) of Montgomery Co., Virginia and later
moved to Estill Co., Kentucky (who married Esther Dorton).
Seven tests from descendants of Joseph Rose of
, include the
A descendant of Job Low (Son of Joseph Rose and Elizabeth
Howland Low) b 1677 in
, (who married Mary
Six tests from descendants of Edward Rose (son of Joseph Rose
and Elizabeth Bumpas) b 1662 (who married Rebecca Burgess). Five are through Edward’s son Joseph b 1697
(who married Patience?). The sixth is
through Edward’s son Thomas b 1711 (who married Annis Clifton).
The DNA of a descendant of William Rose born 1817 New York and
lived in Dodge Co., Wisconsin and Marion Co., Iowa (who married Margaret
Goltry) very strongly indicates that William Rose is descended of Joseph Rose
(and Elizabeth Bumpas) of Marshfield.
Although the background of Edward Rose b 1735 in
and later moved to Montgomery Co., Virginia, is
not known, four DNA tests from descendants of Edward clearly indicate there is
a connection to the Roses in Group I. Tests from Edward’s descendants include the following:
Three tests from descendants of John Rose (son of Edward) b ca
1769 Montgomery Co., Virginia to Gallia Co.,
(who married Margaret Stephens)
One test from descendant of Zachariah Rose (son of Edward) b
(who married Margaret Auxier)
Although the background of Nathaniel Rose b ca 1775 of
Montgomery Co., Virginia and later moved to Estill Co., Kentucky is not known,
four DNA tests from descendants of Nathaniel indicate there is a connection to the
Roses in Group I. Tests from Nathaniel’s
descendants include the following:
A descendant of Nathaniel Rose II (Son of Nathaniel) b 1814
A descendant of John Rose (Son of Nathaniel) b 1816 (who married
A descendant of Edward Rose (Son of Nathaniel) b 1817
A descendant of William Rose (Son of Nathaniel) b 1822 (who
married Sarah Richardson).
A descendant of Matthew Madison Rose of Callaway Co., Mo. and Lawrence Co., Ohio has matched with 25 markers to Group I of the Rose Y-DNA project. The rest of his markers (up to 67) have not yet been reported.
LEMUEL ROSE OF LONG ISLAND AND
HENRY ROSE OF ONONDAGA CO., NEW YORK
BENJAMIN ROSE OF OTSEGO CO., NEW YORK
JEREMIAH AROSE OF LI AND NEW JERSEY
CHARLIE BYRD ROSE OF VIRGINIA AND NEW JERSEY
A descendant of Benjamin Rose b. 1760 Ct. or R.I., lived Otsego Co., N.Y., m. Judith Clark, matches with a descendant of Henry Rose b. 1805, of Onondaga Co., N.Y.
And a further surprise - a descendant of Lemuel Rose born 1754 in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk Co., New York (Long Island), who married Amy Wicks, is also connected to the Otsego/Onondaga County Roses.
In another test, a descendant of Jermiah AROSE (spelled that way) of 1762 Long Island, New York, family later to South Amboy, New Jersey, matches this group. Of the group, he more closely matches Lemuel Rose above.
A descendant of Charlie Byrd Rose (m. Fan Carter), Va., father of Willis Rose, Bridgton, N.J. matches this group but the common ancestor may be back 300-400 years ago.
THE LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK GROUP
DAVID ROSE LATER OF WASHINGTON CO., MARYLAND
EZEKIEL ROSE OF HUNTERDON CO., NEW JERSEY
ROBERT ROSE OF FREDERICK CO., VIRGINIA
ISRAEL ROSE OF ORANGE CO., NEW YORK
JOHN ROSE OF WOLFE CO., KENTUCKY
JOHN ROSE OF SALEM CO., NEW JERSEY
WILLIAM ROSE OF ORANGE CO., NEW YORK
CHARLES ROSE OF SOMERSET CO., PENNSYLVANIA
SAMUEL ROSE OF BURLINGTON CO., NEW JERSEY
MATTHIAS ROSE OF ALBANY, NEW YORK AND CANADA
ABRAHAM LACY ROSE OF NEW YORK AND FRANKLIN CO., OHIO
EZEKIEL ROSE OF WASHINGTON CO., PENNSYLVANIA
TYCHICUS ROSE, WASHINGTON CO., PENNSYLVANIA
JOHN ROSE OF GREENE CO., PENNSYLVANIA
WILLIAM ROSE OF OTSEGO CO., NEW YORK
SAMUEL ROSE OF ONTARIO, CANADA
DANIEL ROSE OF RANDOLPH CO., ARKANSAS
HENRY MATTHIAS ROSE OF BARRON CO., WISC.
EMANUEL ROSE, N.C., FANNIN CO., GEORGIA
JAMES ELLIS ROSE OF PRINCE WILLIAM CO., VIRGINIA
SELAH P. ROSE of MAINE
VINE BALDWIN ROSE of Minnesota
Tests on several early Roses closely match several families, all of whom appear to have Long Island connections.
1. David Rose (m. Hannah Par) supposed to be from Long Island. Documented in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and Washington County, Maryland. Family later to Trumbull and Mahoning Counties, Ohio.
2. Ezekiel Rose (m. Mary Fidler) of Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and including descendant Charles Rose of Monongalia Co., Virginia)
3. Robert Rose (m. Johana --) of Frederick County, Virginia, and probably earlier of Hunterdon County, New Jersey. (Robert was father of Tychicus Rose of Washington County, Pennsylvania; two tests from descendants of Tychicus match this group)
4. Israel Rose (m. Phebe) of Orange County, New York
5. John Rose (m. Rebeckah Bowen) of Harrison Co., Va.; Wolfe Co., Ky. [There are also some Brown DNA matches, from one or more adoptions.]
6. John Rose b. 1703, m. 1st Mary, 2nd Elizabeth, liv. of Salem Co., N.J., probable brother of Ezekiel Rose above who m. Mary Fidler
7. William Rose b. 1747, m. Mary DeWitt (she of Ulster Co., N.Y.), liv. Orange Co., N.Y. - he matches with the Roses who appear to be from Long Island
8. John Rose b. 1764, of Greene Co., Pa. (w. Hannah Addleman). John's parentage unknown.
9. Charles Rose b. c1819, liv. Somerset Co., Pa.
10. Descendant of Charles Rose (b. prob. 1759-1765), m. Rebeckah Mulliner, liv. Monongalia Co., Va. and previously Hunterdon Co., N.J., matched Ezekiel and Mary (Fidler) Rose of Hunterdon Co., N.J.
11. Samuel Rose (b. at least by 16 May 1714, m. Anna Duckworth, lived Burlington Co., N.J.) matched perfectly with several of the Long Island Roses. Samuel MAY be a son of Ephraim Rose, though not proven. Later another test from Samuel through son Samuel II who m. Hannah Carman was a match, as expected.
12. A descendant of Matthias Rose b. c1727, lived Albany and Saratoga Cos., New York and Canada, matches with Roses known to have come from Long Island, New York Roses.
13. Abraham Lacy Rose who m. Sarah Rose (daughter of Phillip Rose of Franklin Co., Ohio and granddaughter of Jachonias Rose of Westmoreland Co., Pa.) tested to be from the groups connected with Long Island Roses. It had been reported many times that Abraham Lacy Rose was not related to his wife Sarah Rose, and this test probably re-affirms this. [Additional note: A test from a descendant of Phillip Rose (through his son Stephen Rose) now does match with other Roses. See Group Y.
14. A test through Ezekiel Rose (m. Sarah Tharp/Thrap), believed to be a son of Ezekiel Rose (w. Mary Higgins, brother of Tychicus Rose). This test matches Ezekiel Rose's descendants with that of Tychicus Rose. There is no question that Tychicus Rose is related to Ezekiel Rose who married Sarah Thrap, based on DNA.
15. William Rose (m. Ruth Comstock) liv. Otsego Co., New York, father of George Washington Rose b. 1821 (m. Maria Balch) of LaSalle Co., Illinois. Appears because of a mutation to be most closely connected with Charles Rose (who m. Rebeckah Mulliner) of Group K.
16. Jeremiah "Arose" of Long Island and South Amboy, New Jersey most closely matches Lemuel Rose of Group K.
17. Samuel Rose (m. Sarah Caton), b. c1795, Sidney, Ontario, Canada, father of George W. Rose (m. Amy Ketcheson).
18. William Rose (m. Sarah Resides) b. c1840 Centre, Pa., matches especially closely with some of the tests from the John Rose who m. Rebekah Bowen group. It is believed that William is a descendant of Israel Rose of that family.
19. A descendant of Daniel Rose (b. c1792, m. Lucinda --, he b. Maryland or Maine) lived Randolph County, Arkansas, matches with Group K, the Long Island Roses. The testee descended from Daniel's son Napoleon Bonaparte Rose.
20. Another branch of the John Rose of Salem Co., N.J. family - this one through Abraham 2, Wm 3, William S. 4, George Washington 5 Rose; family of Union Co., Indiana.
21. A descendant of Henry Matthias Rose bc1835 New York, later lived Barron Co., Wisc., m. Mary Gumbert) is a match to Group K, the Long Island Rose families.
22. Emanuel Rose who married Margaret Hise and Amanda Norris, born c1794, lived Cherokee County, North Carolina and Fannin County, Georgia, through son Enoch Rose (Polly Crisp).
23. A test through Robert Rose bc1770-80, m. Jane Cree, liv. Washington Co. Pa. and Montgomery Co. Ky., through son John Rose
24. A descendant of Selah P. Rose (w Eunice H.) 1822 Kennebec ME and LI, NY through George W. Rose 1858 is a match to the Long Island Roses, Group J1, in particular to Lemuel Rose (w Amy Wicks) b. 1754.
25. A descendant of Vine Baldwin Rose (w Sally Curtis) 1824, f/o William Hudson Rose (w Maude Harvey), matches Group K, the Long Island group. His exact connection to that group is not known.
Note: Descendants of John and Rebekah (Bowen) Rose of Harrison County, Virginia and Wolfe County, Kentucky are related but split off as Grouup K1. See below.
JOHN ROSE OF WOLFE CO., KENTUCKY; VIRGINIA
Includes tests from descendants of:
Wm. Brown (m. Sarah Lewis) c 1771 and
James Brown (name of their ROSE ancestor through John Rose is unknown)
Robert Rose (m Esther Moore) son of John
David Rose (son of John) m Sally Nichol)
John Rose (son of John) m. Polly Morrow
Samuel Rose (son of John) m Virginia Wasson
Israel Rose (son of John) m Mary Dixon
Powell Rose (son of John) m. Nancy Ingram
JAMES ROSE OF PR. WILLIAM CO., VIRGINIA
Project Administrator David W. Brown, after seeing the results of a 2009 test from another descendant of James Rose of Prince William County, Virginia, has now determined from the 37 marker test that this group from James, though connected to Group K, is considerably more distantly related to him earlier across the pond. David has therefore split this James Rose group into K2.
24. James Ellis Rose of Prince William Co., Pa., born ca 1755, married Jane Conover
The above Roses match closely in 25 marker tests, indicating a relationship. These tests would give weight to the consideration that all the above families had Long Island connections.
COMMENTS: In an exciting result of a DNA test, the exact generation of a relationship was determined! This is unusual, but it did happen to this "lucky" testee. According to David Brown our former Project Administrator, this came about as the result of two tests.
First, a test was conducted on a descendant of Ezekiel Rose of Hunterdon Co., N.J.. (b. ca 1705, m. Mary Fidler) father of Ezekiel Rose (b. sometime before 7 Aug. 1747, m. Mary Field), father of Ezekiel Rose (b. 1779, m. Francine "Frankie" Brittain). This test showed close matches to other Rose families known to have Long Island, New York connections.
In a later test, the testee descends from Jonathan Rose (b. ca 1807, wife Jane, lived Hunterdon Co., N.J.) whose death record shows his father as John Rose. Nothing further was known. But through the testing, we now know that John was a son of Ezekiel Rose who married Mary Field.
David Brown explained that there was a mutation and that the testees of the two families mentioned above are the ONLY ones of the Long Island matches that have this mutation. David further explains that the mutation had to occur upon the birth of the Ezekiel Rose (b. before 7 Aug. 1747) and thus, the two testees would be be descended from a son (or two sons) of this Ezekiel. In this case, since the death record of Jonathan Rose whows his father to be named John, it is determined that John and Ezekiel (m. Francine Brittain) were brothers.
JOHN ROSE FAMILY OF KING GEORGE/STAFFORD COS., VIRGINIA (FATHER OF BENNET ROSE OF NORTH CAROLINA)
JOHN ROSE OF CENTRE CO., PENNSYLVANIA,
JOHN ROSE OF WHITE CO., TENNESSEE,
BENJAMIN ROSE OF ROBERTSON CO., TENNESSEE
See also Group L1.
The members of Group L are all established to be very closely related to John Rose of Stafford/King George Co., VA, who m. Lucy Bennet in 1730; and son Bennet Rose b. 1731 later of Surry/Wilkes Co., NC. They are represented by two well document descendants Abner b. 1763, through Bennett 1788
DNA results from descendants of the following establish they are very closely related, and possibly directly descended:
John Rose (b. ca 1770 NC, m. Phebe), who lived in Surry Co., NC & White Co., TN.
Benjamin Rose (b. ca 1770-75 N.C., m. Mary or Polly), later in Robertson Co., TN. Two tests through son John 1804. 67 markers.
John Rose (b. 1802, m. Catharine Craig) who lived in Centre Co., PA. One 67 marker test through son William Craig Rose. An extension of a test from a descendant of John Rose (m. Catharine) of Centre Co., Pennsylvania has enabled our Project Administrator to estimate that John was a descendant of John and Lucy (Bennet) Rose (rather than just related to them).
William H. Rose (b. ca1816 m. Elizabeth DeVault) of Knox Co., VA, Ross Co., OH, & Greene Co., IL also matches with this group. It is believed though not totally proven that William H. Rose was a son of Lewis and Sarah (Birdsong) Rose of Brunswick Co., Virginia who moved into Ross Co., Ohio. This match was a complete surprise!
In addition, there are two perfect matches at 37 markers, both close to this family in VA & NC. The surnames are Hall & Sandy. As neither have matches within their own surnames, both would very likely be originally of Rose fathers, through adoption.
DONALD ROSE OF PERTHSHIRE, SSCOTLAND
ALEXANDER ROSE OF INVERGORDON, SCOTLAND
WILLIAM ROSE OF FAYETTE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
See also Group L.
Group L1 are all estimated to share a common ROSE ancestor prior to emigration to America. They are also estimated to share a common ancestor with Group L (above), since the surname became meaningful.
A descendant of Donald Rose, of Perthshire, Scotland. His results suggest he would share a common Rose ancestor with the Bennet Rose about the 15th Century, plus or minus, likely in Scotland. Donald was born in the 1840's in Perthshire, and died in the 1920's. He and his wife Annie Wood had among their children a son James Wood Rose born 22 February 1882. The participant remains a resident of Scotland.
Three descendants of Alexander Rose (b ca1750, m Isabel McKenzie) of Invergordon, Scotland, through his son John Rose (b 1775, m. Bella Calder) indicate a fairly close relationship in Group L1, although slightly more distant to Group L, This family settled at Picton, Nova Scotia, Canada, where it still has a presence, although early branches also went to MA & NY. Three sons of John 1775 are represented, Alexander 1799, James 1808, & David 1820. Two of these were surprises, but their links into the family were documented following the tests.
William Rose (b ca1755, m. Elizabeth Alton) who was born in Maryland, and lived Westmoreland and Fayette Cos., PA is also indicated to share a relationship to the above.
As these all have a very common general Y-DNA pattern, there are 2-3 others that could share a distant meaningful relationship, it is estimated to extend well into the past, about the time the Surname took hold.
TORMUT ROSE OF BLOCK ISLAND, RHODE ISLAND
GEORGE ROSE OF TEXAS
This group of Roses descended from Tormut Rose, b. ca 1632, m. Hannah George, who lived in Block Island, Rhode Island in the 1660s. This family originated in Scotland. Two descendants of Tormut, one whom has lived on Block Island all his life, have tested.
A descendant of George who married Janey, of Texas, through his son William Rose, matches with this group.
FRANCIS ROSE OF BUNCOMBE CO., NC
SAMUEL ROSE OF BUNCOMBE AND MACON COS., NC (and JOHN JOHNSON ROSE, HIS SON OR GRANDSON)
JOHN ROSE SR. OF BURKE CO., NC
ISAIAH ROSE OF WASHINGTON CO., TN
JACOB ROSE OF BURKE CO., NC, AND GREENE CO., TN,
JACOB ROSE OF CARTER CO., KY
THOMAS WESLEY ROSE, TN, WV
SAMUEL ROSE OF WILKES CO., NC
JOHN ROSE OF PULASKI AND McCREARY COS., KY; NC
GEORGE WILLIAM ROSE, WILKES CO., NC AREA
This is an interesting group, tying together Francis Rose of Buncombe and Burke Counties, North Carolina (who married Elizabeth Ford and later lived McMinn County, Tennessee and other locations) to Samuel Rose, revolutionary pensioner of Buncombe and Macon County, North Carolina (his probable father).
Also connected is John Rose Jr. of Burke County, North Carolina, born ca 1755-1774, who may have married Mary Stafford and/or Mary Hancock. He was father of Wilson Rose b. ca 1807-1808 (m. 1st Virginia "Jennie" Vance, 2nd Bethany Mullins), Samuel Rose b. ca 1807-1808 (m. Margaret "Peggy" Cantrell) and Elias Rose b. ca 1797 (m. Nancy Hill).
Isaiah Rose was born ca 1795, lived in Washington County, Tennessee, Cherokee Co., North Carolina, and Winston County, Alabama. He married 1st to Cassa Long, and 2nd to Rachel Brown. Among his children was a son Nathaniel Rose of Arkansas and other localities.
Jacob Rose born 1765-1704 was a War of 1812 soldier, and died in that war leaving a widow Lydia Burchfield. They married in Burke County, North Carolina. After his death his widow moved with her family into Kentucky, living in Carter County and other Kentucky locations.
Also tied to this group is Robert Rose of Carter Co., Ky. who married Melinda Dyer. It had been thought that this Robert Rose could be connected to Jacob Rose who married Lydia Burchfield, but the exact tie is not known. However, DNA confirms there is a relationship.
A descendant of Thomas Wesley Rose (m. Bessie Osborne), of Va. is connected with this group. Thomas Rose may be a son of John Rose and Mary or Nancy Harper, but other records indicate his parents were A. C. and Wilner Rose. Family had Wise Co., W. Va. connections. Thomas d. 1943 Monroe Co., W. VA
A descendant of Samuel Rose (b. ca 1757, m. Lydia Sizemore), through their son Charles Rose born ca 1780-1800 who had a wife named Priscilla, matches this group. This family lived in Wilkes and Ash Counties, North Carolina.
John Rose b. ca 1800 North Carolina, married Abigail Vanover, and lived in Pulaski and McCreary Cos., Kentucky has a match with Group M1.
Isaiah Rose of Washington Co., Tenn., Cherokee Co., N.C. and Winston Co., Ala. tests with the Buncombe Co. group, as does John Rose of Burke Co., N.C. (father of Wilson, Samuel and Elias and related to John Mc Rose). These recent tests also put the whole group closer to the Tormut Rose of Block Island, R.I. and Polk Co., Tenn. group. A descendant of Isaiah Rose of Washington Co., Tenn., Cherokee Co., N.C., and Winston Co., Ala. matches with descendants of Francis Rose of Buncombe Co., N.C.
A descendant of John Rose of Burke Co., N.C. also matches this group. (This is the John Rose who was father of Elias, Wilson, and Samuel Rose, and related to John Mc Rose.)
A descendant of John Johnson Rose, probable son or grandson of Samuel Rose, born 14 March 1816 (Bible), married first, April 1836, Rebecca Henly/Hemby, m. 2nd, 1860, Margaret Louisa (Chambers?) Powell, a widow. John Johnson Rose was of Macon and Cherokee Cos., North Carolina.
George William Rose-b1847 & Charlotte Charity Ford-b1852 through their son McKinley Rose b. 1895 matches this group. It is uncertain at this point whether this line is descended from Francis Rose of Wilkes Co., N.C. or Joel Rose who m. Hannah Perry, of that area.
GEORGE ROSE OF POLK CO., TENNESSEE
GREEN ROSE OF COCKE CO., TENNESSEE
GEORGE ROSE OF LAURENS CO., SOUTH CAROLINA
WILLIAM STILLWELL ROSE OF MONMOUTH CO., NEW JERSEY
Members of this group are all believed to have originated in Northwestern South Carolina and later moved to Tennessee. There is a close match of a descendant of Green Rose of Cocke Co., Tennessee (m. Lydia Black and Charity Taylor) to the George Rose Family (b. 1790 S.C.) of Polk Co., Tennessee. A descendant of George Rose of Laurens Co., South Carolina also matches this group.
Another test from a descendant of William Stillwell Rose Sr. b. ca 1826 (m. Abigail VanHise) of Monmouth Co., New Jersey, shows a close match to this group.
ISAAC ROSE of Washington and Mercer Cos., Pa.
Isaac Rose, revolutionary pensioner, m. Margaret Leyda. Isaac lived in Washington and Mercer Cos., Pa. There are two matches through different sons, but so far no match to other Rose families.
ROBERT ROSE OF MONTGOMERY CO., MD AND WASHINGTON D.C. AND
GEORGE ROSE OF ESSEX CO., VIRGINIA
RICHARD ROSE OF SCOTT CO., INDIANA, ILLINOIS AND VIRGINIA
A descendant of the early George Rose (who m. Delphia Taylor and Dicey Marlow) of Essex Co., Virginia matches with descendants of Robert Rose of Montgomery Co., Md. (father of Benjamin F. Rose later of Texas). This family MAY be descended from Thomas Rose of Bedford Co., Va.
Descendants of Richard Rose, revolutionary pensioner of Virginia, (m. Elizabeth Morris) who lived in Kentucky, Hancock Co., Illinois and Scott Co., Indiana, through his sons Francis Rose (m. Mary Hale) and Adam G. Rose (who m. Denise Wilson). (For Stephen Rose, raised by Richard Rose, see Group OX.)
A descendant of Richard Rose of Kentucky, Scott Co., Indiana etc. (m. Mary Hale) is of this group. He may be a son of Richard Rose, the revolutionary pensioner mentioned above.
Another descendant of Richard Rose of Scott Co., Ind. an Hancock Co., Ill. through Adam G. Rose matches Group O., as was expected.
STEPHEN ROSE OF ILL., KY., MO. AND TEX.
It had been thought that Stephen Rose, named as one of the "children" in the revolutionary pension affidavit of Richard Rose of Scott Co., Indiana, Hancock Co., Illinois and Virginia was a son, but DNA shows otherwise. He may have been adopted, or raised by Richard Rose. Five descendants are in this Group OX.
WILLIAM ROSE OF HALIFAX COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA
JOSEPH ROSE OF MONTGOMERY/GILES COS., VIRGINIA AND
THOMAS ROSE OF FREDERICK AND WARREN COS., VIRGINIA
A descendant of William Rose (of age by 1753) of Edgecombe and Halifax Cos., North Carolina is a perfect 25/25 match with a descendant of Joseph Rose (m. Catherine Bowsman/Bausman) of Montgomery and Giles Cos., Virginia. Also matching William Rose is a descendant of Aaron Wesley Rose (b. 1869) of Montgomery Co., Tennessee.
A descendant of Aaron Wesley Rose who was b. 20 September 1869 and whose family lived at one time in Montgomery County, Tennessee matches with descendants of William Rose of Halifax County, North Carolina. Though the connection was not heretofore known, it is not unexpected since a branch of William Rose's family did move to Montgomery County, Tennessee. It is now believed that Aaron Wesley Rose may be the Aaron W. Rose who was son of Isaac J. Rose (listed 1870-1880 Montgomery County).
Also connected is Thomas Rose of Frederick Co., Va. and Warren Co., Va. who married Mary "Polly" Murphy and was father of James Rose b. ca1810. This had not been known.
A test of a descendant of Thomas R. Rose of Moore County, North Carolina who married Mary "Polly" Medlin is matched to Group P. They had a son (among other children) William David Rose 1849. This match had not been expected.
A descendant of William Washington Rose (m. Elizabeth Jane Harmon) liv. 1822 Allegheny VA through his son George Washington Rose (m. Lulu Hickman) matches Group P. This is a surprise.
A descendant of William Rose of Halifax Co., NC. (w Sarah Crawley) through his son Edmund Rose c1784 of N.C. and La. matches with Group P., as expected but is good confirmation.
WILLIAM ROSE OF SCHOHARIE COUNTY, NEW YORK AND GERMANY
AND LAWRENCE ROSE OF NEW YORK
A descendant of John Rose b. 1772 (m. Rhoda Crippen), matches with a descendant of Lawrence Rose (b. 1787) who married Thankful Reynolds. John Rose is believed to be a son of William and Elizabeth (Schoolcraft) Rose of Germany and Schoharie County, New York. Lawrence Rose was of Rensselaer County, New York and Ohio. This match was unexpected!
In 2009 a test from Isaac Hobbs Rose (m. Anna Young) line (he 1790) through Adoniram Rose 1822 matches Group Q, the William and Elizabeth (Schoolcraft) Rose family. This was expected.
JAMES ROSE OF WAYNE CO., TENNESSEE AND
CHARLES ROSE OF WAYNE CO., TENNESSEE
ROMULUS SWIFT OF NORTH CAROLINA
ISAAC W. HUFF OF LEE CO., VIRGINIA
THOMAS CHOATE OF TENNESSEE
1. James Rose b. ca 1810, in Wayne County, Tennessee, by 1840
2. Charles Rose b. ca 1804, lived Wayne County, Tennessee
3. Romulus Swift (w Sarah Paine) 1810 North Carolina, son John Wesley Swift to Henderson, Tennessee.
4. Isaac W. Huff (w Elizabeth Clarks) 1802 Lee County, Virginia, son James of Laurel, Kentucky
5. Thomas Choate (w Minnie Baker) 1861 Tennessee, son Nick to Kentucky
THOMAS ROSE OF KENTUCKY AND BOURBON CO., KANSAS
JOHN CALVIN ROSE OF NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE AND
SAMUEL ROSE OF BERKELEY CO., WEST VIRGINIA, OHIO, AND LEE CO., IOWA
NATHAN ROSE OF BURKE CO., NORTH CAROLINA
CAPT. JOSEPH ROSE OF NEW YORK CITY
HENRY L. ROSE OF WASHINGTON, DC
A descendant of John Calvin Rose b. 1859, lived Nashville, Tennessee matches with a descendant of Thomas J. Rose b. ca 1823-24 in Kentucky, lived in Missouri and in Bourbon County, Kansas. This Thomas J. Rose's 1st wife unknown. He married 2nd to Elizabeth M. Daughtey. (It is possible but not proven that John Calvin Rose was the son of a C. A. Rose.)
And in another unexpected match, Samuel Rose b. ca 1821, lived Berkeley Co., West Virginia, Hamilton Co., Ohio, and VanBuren and Lee Cos., Iowa also matched this group. Samuel married Mary Ann Bloomer.
And, a complete surprise, a descendant of Nathan Rose, born ca 1805, who married in 1829 Burke County, North Carolina to Rebecca Rowan, and later of Bount County, Tennessee, matches with this group. This match was a complete surprise.
A descendant of Henry Rose who married Mary Bowen, through their son Francis Rose 1888 Washington, D.C. matches Group S, the Capt. Joseph Rose group of New York City, and other Roses.
ALDERT HEYMANSE ROOSA OF ULSTER CO., NEW YORK
JOHN ROSE OF BROOME CO., NEW YORK
JOHN ROSE OF ULSTER CO., NEW YORK AND GREENE CO., PENNSYLVANIA
ALLEN THEODORE ROSE OF UNION CO., IOWA
GILBERT ROSE OF ULSTER CO., NEW YORK
SAMUEL ROSE OF
DUTCHESS CO., NEW YORK AND VERMONT
ELISHA ROSE OF ONTARIO CO., NEW YORK
WILLIAM ROSE OF CLARK CO., INDIANA
Many matches have been made to the early ROOSA family of Ulster County, New York. One of the latest matches is that of a descendant of William Rose of Montgomery and Saratoga Counties, New York (d. 1883; father of Moses Rose, later of Jefferson County, New York).
A descendant of John Rose (b. ca 1740) who married 1st, Lucy Boardman, and 2nd, Katherine Wheeler, and who lived in Broome Co., New York, tests as a ROOSA. John was previously in records of Litchfield County, Connecticut.
Descendants of John R. Rose of Ulster Co., New York, Greene Co., Pennsylvania and Meigs Co., Ohio, who married Annie Cox, confirm that John's descendants are members of the ROOSA family of Ulster County.
A descendant of Allen Theodore Rose of N.Y., b. 1846-50, m. Elizabeth Jones, lived Union Co., Iowa, matches with the ROOSA family.
In addition, a number of tests on descendants of Samuel Rose of Dutchess Co., New York and Bennington Co., Vermont (m. Sarah Reynolds) prove that Samuel is a ROOSA, connected to Roosa of Ulster Co., New York. The tests represent several sons of Samuel, i.e. Samuel Jr., Abraham, Joel and Joshua.
A descendant of Gilbert Rose of Ulster County, New York is proven to be a ROOSA descendant. It is suspected that Gilbert was a son of William and Annetje "Hannah" (Wolven) Rose of Ulster County, New York. It is hoped that more tests will be taken from other branches of this family, for further confirmation. Any males carrying the name of Rose/Roosa who have a proven line to William who married Annetje Wolven would be welcome to take the DNA test.
A descendant of Aldert 1 Roosa, Jan 2 Roosa, Aldert 3 Roosa (m. Rebeccha Schepmoes), Abraham 4 Roosa (m. Elizabeth Rutsz), Jacob 5 Roosa (m. 1st Elizabeth Louw, 2nd Catrina Feltie), of Hamilton County, Ohio, is a match.
A descendant of Elisha and Rebecca (Hubbel) Rose of Ontario Co., New York, son Elisha m. 1st Olive McLellan and 2nd Amelia/Milly Haws and lived Indiana, matches with the Ulster Co., New York ROOSA family, Group T.
A Rosa living in the Czech Republic matches Group T of our DNA project! It may not be possible to learn of the exact relationship, but nonetheless, this is exciting and interesting news.
There is a match of a descendant of Samuel 1 Rose, of Dutchess Co., New York and Bennington Co., Vermont, through his son Samuel jr. who m. Chloe Canfield, and John Levi 3 Rose b. 1788 m. Isabella Boulton to Group T.
A descendant of William E. Rose who married Sarah Golden (of Clark Co., Indiana, through son David H. Rose) has tested at 37 markers to be a ROOSA.
A descendant of William E. Rose who married Sarah Golden (of Clark Co., Indiana, through son David H. Rose) has tested at 37 markers to be a ROOSA.
NOTE: The Rose Family Association and the DNA Project Administrator have received inquiries as to whether the Roosa of Ulster County, New York have Middle Eastern [or Jewish] connections. The DNA pattern clearly indicates very early Northwestern European connections, and is not indicative of any Middle Eastern origins, either directly or indirectly. [This has nothing to do with religious beliefs.]
Following is a communication that David W. Brown, our Project Administrator, sent to Roosa descendants. This is quite exciting, for it shows the tremendous value of DNA. In this case, the America Roosas have been connected with their Dutch family.
"For several months I have been in contact with Cor Selders in Holland, who played a major role in the preparation of a history of the Roosa/Rosa/Roza family in Dutch some time ago. He cooperated very closely, and arranged for a DNA test to be completed on a descendant of his line, a cousin Willem Roza. The most recent common ancestor our American Immigrant Aeldert [Roosa] was supposed to share with him was Gijsberts Geurts, born about 1550 AD, grandfather of Aeldert, as Willem is descended through his uncle Abraham.
"The complete results of this test arrived ... and are a perfect match with most of the 22 previous tests we have had from Aeldert's descendants! This proves beyond any doubt that this connection is valid, and Aeldert was very closely related to this Abraham! Their Dutch book also provides lineage back two more generations past Gijsberts, to about 1500.
"It is actually quite unusual to have a perfect Y-DNA match over that period of time, as slight mutations can be expected. There are none in this case, as the DNA pattern of our Roosa family is extremely stable. So much so, that for anyone that provides a test, we are able to define very easily whether or not they are indeed a part of our family."
JOHN ROSE of Prince William Co., Virginia
JAMES ROSE of Belmont Co., Ohio
JOHN ROSE of Tennessee
MARTIN VanBUREN ROSE
John Rose, m. Elizabeth, father of William Rose who m. Mary M. Thompson, lived Prince William Co., Virginia.
James Rose m. Mary Schaeffer, of Va., Belmont and Guernsey Cos., Ohio.
John Rose m. Eleanor Crabb, she later of Franklin Co., Tenn. and had a son George W. Rose among others.
Martin VanBuren Rose, 1838, little known.
In a new test in 2005, from a descendant of Thompson Rose who m. Mary McCoy, there is a very close match to James Rose (m. Mary Shafer/Schaefer) indicating that surely these two Roses are related closely in the Thompson Rose family. It is believed that James (who m. Mary) is a brother of John (who m. Jane Sharrock) though that specific relationship must be proved. Also connected through DNA is Clarence W. Rose of Poweshiek Co., Iowa who appears to be son of John W. Rose, and possible grandson of George W. and Hannah (Robbins) Rose of Guernsey Co., Ohio.
ROGER ROSE of Wiltshire, England
JAMES ROSEof Surry and Cumberland, England
RICHARD ROSEof Knox Co., Indiana
THOMAS ROSEof England and Jefferson Co., NY & Wisconsin
Richard Rose born ca 1811, Virginia, died 1848, Knox Co., Indiana. He is supposed to be son of James Rose b. c 1793, of Surry Co., England, and his wife Sarah, but not confirmed.
Thomas Rose b. ca 1793, England, m. Sarah and lived in Jefferson Counties, New York and Wisconsin.
A descendant of John Rose who married Martha Huffman (ca1810 Va-1895) through his son John Rose matches with this group. Family lived Tippecanoe Co., Indiana and other localities.
[These lucky descendant, in matching with a Rose of England, now know where to look further for their ancestors!]
MONTGOMERY ROSE of Tennessee and Missouri
ALEXANDER ROSE of Pennsylvania/Tennessee? and Arkansas
Montgomery Rose (wife Rebecca) was b. ca 1815 in Tennessee; later of Pulaski/Wright Counties, Missouri matches with Alexander Rose was b. ca 1810 in either Pennsylvania or Tennessee, married Rachel Pruitt, and later lived Hempstead County, Arkansas.
JOHN ROSE OF HARRISON CO., OHIO
SAMUEL ROSE OF BERKELEY CO., WEST VIRGINIA AND HARRISON CO., OHIO
John Rose (m. Elizabeth Caves), of Harrison Co., Ohio matches with Samuel Rose (wife Amy Matson) of Berkeley Co., West Virginia; Harrison Co., Ohio. [Interestingly, another Samuel Rose of Berkeley County, West Virginia, later of Iowa, does not match this group.]
A descendant of Samuel Rose (m2Nancy Jarrett), parents of Isaac (Mary Colvin) 1835 Belmont Ohio, match with Group W, the Samuel and Amy (Matson) Rose family of Ohio.
AN ADOPTED ROSE
CHARLES ROSE OF GALLATIN CO., KY AND KING GEORGE CO., VIRGINIA
GEORGE ROSE OF FAYETTE CO., KENTUCKY
A descendant of Charles Rose of Gallatin Co., Ky. (born 1756 King George Co., Va., died in Gallatin Co., Kentucky, m. 1st Miss Hutchison, 2nd Lucinda 'Goings) did not match with any Roses, but did match with three Thorntons in a Thornton DNA project. This confirms information which some of that family's branches had that there was an adoption in this group of Roses. In this case, it seems clear that Charles Rose was a Thornton by birth, and thus the reason he named one of his own sons Thornton Rose. This testing shows again the power of DNA tests, which in this case confirmed a family's tradition.
A descendant of George Rose of Fayette Co., Kentucky is very closely connected to Charles Rose of Gallatin Co., Kentucky. The latter, Charles Rose, was a Revolutionary soldier, previously of King George Co., Va. but later of Gallatin Co., Kentucky. Charles' descendant matched perfectly with three THORNTON men, indicating that his surname was Thornton, not Rose. However, there still exists the possibility this family had a Rose in their ancestry for it could be that that the mother or grandmother was a Rose. George Rose, the ancestor of the recent testee, was born sometime before 1755, and married Jane Nixon. Among his children were: Leroy b. 1776-1780 m. Judith Cloud; Isaac b. 1780-1790 m Alsey Kirkpatrick; Lewis bc1798 m Margaret Kirkpatrick; Lucy m. Nicholas Morgan. Agewise, it is possible that George Rose and Charles Rose were brothers.
Group X: Another test from Lew Rose (m. Margaret Kirkpatrick) 1798 of Fayette Co., Ky. tends to confirm he was son of George Rose 1755. They also match with possible brother Charles Rose, b. 1756 Va., another early settler of Fayette Co. Their DNA strongly indicates a close connection to a very prominent Thornton family of Northumberland Co., Va.
JACONAIS ROSE [JACHONIAS ROSE] OF WESTMORELAND CO., PENNSYLVANIA
FRANKLIN ROSE OF ILLINOIS AND MISSOURI
SIMON ROSE OF LONG ISLAND, SUFFOLK CO., NEW YORK
A descendant of Franklin Rose b. 1860 Ill.,(wife Clara Calcell), who lived Bates Co., Mo., matches with a descendant of Jaconias Rose of Westmoreland Co., Pa. (father of Phillip Rose of Franklin Co., Ohio). This was unexpected and provides a new avenue of search.
A huge surprise. A test from a descendant of what we have thought was Robert 1, John 2, Martyn 3, Zaccheus 4 Moses 5, Simon 6 Rose of Long Island does not match with Group K, but matches with Group Y. More investigation is needed on this lineage.
DAVID ROSE OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA
JOSEPH/WILLIAM L. ROSE OF VANDERBURGH CO., INDIANA
A descendant of David and Abigail (Busby) Rose of Philadelphia matches with a descendant of William L. Rose of Vanderburgh Co., Ind. William L. is likely the William L. listed with Joseph Rose of 1850 White Co., Illinois whose family came out of Vanderburgh Co., Indiana. This Joseph Rose appears to be a part of the Joseph Rose family of Cumberland Co., Pennsylvania and Sullivan County, Tennessee who had members who went into Vanderburgh Co., Indiana.
JESSE ROSE of Hamilton Co., Illinois
Two tests have matched, both descended from this progenitor. Jesse Rose married Julia Clark (the line which tested) and also had other wives. The tests were from the line of his son William.
A descendant of John Calvin Rose who was born 3 October 1873 in Monroe County, Arkansas, died there 26 September 1950, married in 1912 Hattie Mae Allcox, matches with Group AA.
WILLIAM ROSE OF BEDFORD CO., PENNSYLVANIA
Tests of descendants, through the son Allen Rose, and through son Edward Rose, have matched. William Rose c1715 (wife Mary) left a number of descendants in this area.
Another descendant of Allen Rose (son of William Rose of Bedford Co., Pa.) matches Group BB as was expected.
ADAM ROSE OF CAMBRIA CO., PENNSYLVANIA
DAVID ROSE OF CAMBRIA CO., PENNSYLVANIA
HANS ROSER OF YORK CO., PENNSYLVANIA
Tests from descendants of Adam Rose (c1779-1847) who m. Elizabeth Helsel) and one from David Rose (c1833-64) who m. Elizabeth Seese) match. And, a descendant of George Rose b. ca 1850 in Germany, m. Helen L. Shaw, and lived Middlesex Co., N.J. matches this group.
Hans Roser (son of Laurentius Roser of Baden, Germany) m. Catherine Kramer. hans was born c1725 in Baden, Germany, immigrated to York Co., Pennsylvania perhaps in 1750. Hans had a son named Adam but this not the not the Adam b. 1770 of Cambria Co., Pennsylvania though there are in some way related.
THOMAS ROSE OF BUCKS, ENGLAND
WALTER W. ROSE OF BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND
In an exciting match of two Roses whose ancestors were from England, there is a perfect 25/25 match with a descendant of Thomas Rose (wife Ann Leonard) 1806 of Bucks, England to Erie, NY in 1837, and a Rose descended from Walter W. Rose 1881 (m. Florence Lycett 1909) of Birmimgham, England.
PETER ROSE OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA
A descendant of Peter Rose born ante 1725, lived Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, married Mary Gardner, matches with a descendant of Jean Rose, father of Jean Rose (who married Jean Ingrouille, born ca 1700 of Guernsey, Channel Islands.
A descendant of Benjamin Franklin McMasters Rose born ca 1835, m. Sarah Elizabeth Smith, (he son of John 3, Peter 2, Peter 1 Rose of Philadelphia, Pa.) matches with the Peter Rose family of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Benjamin lived in Jefferson County, Iowa.
HENRY ROSE OF SULLIVAN CO., NY AND OHIO
Two tests from descendants of Henry Roosa (Mary Hawkins)1793-1880 Sullivan NY/Lorain O; through son James. However, they are not related to all the other Roosas of Ulster County, New York.
BENJAMIN ROSE OF MACON & PUTNAM COS., MISSOURI
A descendant of Benjamin Rose (b. ca 1808-09) of Virginia and Putnam and Macon Cos., Missouri, though son Benjamin R. Rose, is a match with a descendant John, another son of Benjamin. Benjamin 1 Rose married 1st to Sarah Ann Holman, and 2nd to Elizabeth Ann Robbins. This group has a rare haplotype.
THOMAS ROSE OF SCITUATE, MASSACHUSETTS
A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Gideon 3, Thomas 4 tested. Those below match.
A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Gideon 3, Jeremiah 4 matches the above.
A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Thomas 3, Thomas 4 matches the above.
A surprise! A descendant of James Rose (m. Emma) c1800 of Comfort Cove, Newfoundland, through his son Stephen Rose (wife Mary Ann?) c1831 Twillingate, and the latter's son James (who m. Harriet) unexpectedly matches PERFECTLY in Group HH.
A very surprising result!! A descendant of James Rose (w Dinah Bull) 1795 Dorset, England, f/o Thomas Rose (w Eliza Hutchings) 1819, is a definite match to Thomas Rose of Scituate, Mass. (our Group HH). Thus, finally, it would appear that the American group has a very good lead to the location of their English ancestors.
NICHOLAS ROSE OF QUEBEC
A descendant of Nicholas, father of Noel (w Marie de Monmainer)* 1642 Quebec, f/o Charles 1679.
A descendant of Nicholas, f/o Noel 1642 St. Etienne du Mont, Parish to Quebec 1666; f/o Joseph.
A descendant of William Rose (w Eliz Ferguson) 1785 Conn., f/o Aaron Rose (w Mariah Everett) 1818 Seneca, N.Y./Newago, Mich., has an unexpected match to this group.
A ROSE FAMILY OF DELAWARE AND NORTH CAROLINA
Descendant of Edward (w Eleanor) 1805, f/o Thos. Martin Rose (w Molly Midyett) 1850 Tyrell, N.C.
A descendant of Truman Rose (w Dorothy) d1783 Sussex Co., Del., f/o Truman Rose (w Mary Tull).
A HARDY ROSE OF NASH CO., NORTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA
Two tests from Hardy Rose (w Polly Freeman), father of James Rose (w Sadie Kelly) match each other but don't match any other Rose group at this time.
ROSS OF LAURENS CO., SOUTH CAROLINA
1. A descendant of Dr. George Ross b. Nov. 11, 1746 in Laurens Co., S.C., d. Mar. 1801, m. Isabella Montgomery on 12 October 1769 in Maryland, through his son John Leland Ross b. 21 Sept. 1816 in S.C.
2. A descendant of John Ross b. 29 Oct. 1784, Laurens Co., S.C., d. 22 May 1874 in Hamilton, Monroe Co., Moss., m. Elizabeth Ferguson on 15 Mar. 1810 in S.C., through his son John Edward Ross b. 11 Oct. 1840 in Benton, Polk Co., Tenn.
AN IMPORTANT UNMATCHED ROSE
ISAAC ROSE OF MERCER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
A descendant of Isaac Rose of Washington and Mercer Cos., Pennsylvania, who married Margaret Leyda, does not yet have any matches. BUT, the lack of a match is very helpful on this family for we had thought he might match to a Roosa since Margaret Leyda came out of one of the Dutch families of Ulster Co., New York. Now that has been eliminated, and it still may be possible that Isaac Rose of Pennsylvania is related to Andrew Rose of Bucks and Mercer Counties, Pennsylvania.
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